Somewhere on this magnificent forum it is reported that the Malaysian Authorities are expecting 8000 or so veterans to travel to Malaysia for the 2007 anniversary celebrations. If so I would think that at least 5000 will be PJMERS. Maybe 3000 or so will hold other awards as well such as the GSM etc.

Now for the dilemma for those going to Malaysia. Good manners and politeness would suggest that when making up our medal bars we should put the PJM in pole position. Perhaps the 3000 or so veterans should all e-mail for advice:- as ex-service why not contact MOD? ; as civilians (now) why not try the FCO? ; if all else fails why not approach the HCO in Kuala Lumpur?

The traditionialists amongst us will cry out that regulations say that the PJM should be displayed at the end of the line, when we finally get permission to wear it . But I contend that we have the precedent to make the rules up as we go along. If it is good enough for the HDO Committee to rewrite age-old regulations then they can hardly complain if we do the same.

Thoughts please.

MIKE O.
Ex RAF (HQ FWD AIR CDR BORNEO)

I'm with you Mike, whatever is democratically decided. I think we should follow our hearts as long as it does't embarrass the Malaysians. Tony D.

There is a correct order of precidence for the wearing of your medals and the commonwealth/foreign medals is clearly listed at the bottom.
They may differ for the commonweath countries of course and care MUST be taken to ensure they are correctly displayed.

The link provides you information on the Canadian, Australian and New Zealand's order of priority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Realms_orders_and_decorations

The British order.
United Kingdom. Awarded by the British Monarch.

Victoria Cross VC
George Cross GC
Knight (or Lady) of the Most Noble Order of the Garter KG/LG
Knight (or Lady) of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle KT/LT
Knight of the Most Illustrious Order of St. Patrick KP
Knight Grand Cross in The Most Honourable Order of the Bath GCB
Order of Merit OM
Baronet's Badge Bt
Knight Grand Commander of The Most Exalted Order of the Star of India GCSI
Knight Grand Cross of The Most Distinguished Order of St Michael and St George GCMG
Knight Grand Commander of The Most Eminent Order of the Indian Empire GCIE
The Order of the Crown of India CI
Knight Grand Cross of The Royal Victorian Order GCVO
Knight (or Dame) Grand Cross of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire GBE
Order of the Companions of Honour CH
Knight (or Dame) Commander of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath KCB/DCB
Knight Commander of The Most Exalted Order of the Star of India (KCSI)
Knight (or Dame) Commander of The Most Distinguished Order of St. Michael and St. George KCMG/DCMG
Knight Commander of The Most Eminent Order of the Indian Empire KCIE
Knight (or Dame) Commander of The Royal Victorian Order KCVO/DCVO
Knight (or Dame) Commander of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire KBE/DBE
Knight Bachelor's Badge
Companion of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath CB
Companion of The Most Exalted Order of the Star of India CSI
Companion of The Most Distinguished Order of St. Michael and St. George CMG
Companion of The Most Eminent Order of the Indian Empire CIE
Commander of The Royal Victorian Order CVO
Commander of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire CBE
Companion of Distinguished Service Order DSO
Lieutenant of The Royal Victorian Order LVO
Officer of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire OBE
Imperial Service Order ISO
Member of The Royal Victorian Order MVO
Member of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire MBE
Indian Order of Merit (Military) IOM
Conspicuous Gallantry Cross CGC
Royal Red Cross (Member or First Class) RRC
Distinguished Service Cross DSC
Military Cross MC
Millitary Cross on the left Distinguished Flying Cross DFC
Air Force Cross AFC
Royal Red Cross (Associate or Second Class) ARRC
Order of British India OBI
Kaisar-I-Hind Medal
Order of St. John
Union of South Africa Queen's Medal for Bravery (Gold)
Distinguished Conduct Medal DCM
Conspicuous Gallantry Medal CGM
George Medal GM
Queen's Police Medal for Gallantry QPM
Queen's Fire Service Medal for Gallantry QFSM
Royal West African Frontier Force Distinguished Conduct Medal DCM
King's African Rifles Distinguished Conduct Medal DCM
Indian Distinguished Service Medal ISDM
Union of South Africa Queen's Medal for Bravery (Silver)
Distinguished Service Medal DSM
Military Medal MM
Distinguished Flying Medal DFM
Air Force Medal AFM
Royal Ulster Constabulary Medal
Medal for Saving Life at Sea
Indian Order of Merit (Civil) IOM
Indian Police Medal for Gallantry
Ceylon Police Medal for Gallantry
Sierra Leone Police Medal for Gallantry
Colonial Police Medal for Gallantry
Queen's Gallantry Medal QGM
Royal Victorian Medal RVM
British Empire Medal BEM
Canada Medal CM, or M du C
Queen's Police Medal for Distinguished Service QPM
Queen's Fire Service Medal for Distinguished Service QFSM
Queen's Medal for Chiefs
British Campaign Medals
Polar Medals
Imperial Service Medal ISM
Mentioned in Despatches MiD
Police medals for valuable service
Jubilee, Coronation and Durbar medals
Efficiency and long service medals
Territorial Decoration (TD)
Efficiency Medal
Volunteer and Reserve Service Medal (VRSM)
Commonwealth orders, decorations, and medals
Non-Commonwealth orders, decorations, and medals....

Awards for Bravery compared..
The table compares awards for equivalent acts of bravery. The official order of precedence of medals is more complex for historical reasons.

Level of Military Award. Civilian Award (or not in face of enemy)
Highest Victoria Cross George Cross.
Second Conspicuous Gallantry Cross.
Distinguished Service Order (Combat leadership )
George Medal
Third Distinguished Service Cross (Sea)
Military Cross (Land)

Distinguished Flying Cross (Air, combat)

Air Force Cross (Air, no enemy)
Queen's Gallantry Medal
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Last edited by KJF on Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:04 am; edited 1 time in total

Well said sir, we may have the worst civil service in the world but we should not follow their poor example by snubbing the one rule about medals with which we all agree, and that is precedence. The PJM must be the last medal on the row unless you have a truly foreign one, like the Russian one.

John

Ok happy chappies and chapesses,

Here is the low down.

Under - Further notes - Foreign Orders and Decorations.

When worn in the country of issue, it has pride of place. That means in front of any other medals that you have, or alternatively, haven't got.

Check it out at www.honours.gov.uk/honours/wear.aspx

Hope that answers the question regarding protocol.

Yours Aye

Arthur

Many thanks Arthur for locating the definitive answer.

In the back of my mind I thought I had heard about this rule but couldn't quite locate it. I am sure that anyone who attends the Malaysian celebrations this year will be very proud to put the PJM 'up front'.

MIKE OSTLER
Ex RAF Borneo

Glad to have been of service, Mike.
Wear it in pride of place with honour. You've earned it.

Yours Aye

Arthur

I believe in correct protocol so could any of you help me with this problem.
When saluting with the well known two fingers is it the right hand before 6pm and the left hand after 6pm or is it both hands when addressing Whitehall Serpents.
This issue has bothered me for some time because I would not want to get it wrong. You know how easy it is to upset people these days with some PR Bod around every corner and as you all know I would be the last person to upset anyone!

Stand rigidly to attention, and then give 'em both ! - Tony

Techie stuff - saluting -
and don't forget the raspberry.

Paul Alders wrote:

I believe in correct protocol so could any of you help me with this problem.
When saluting with the well known two fingers is it the right hand before 6pm and the left hand after 6pm or is it both hands when addressing Whitehall Serpents.
This issue has bothered me for some time because I would not want to get it wrong. You know how easy it is to upset people these days with some PR Bod around every corner and as you all know I would be the last person to upset anyone!

Paul,

The right hand as the left is for holding them by the throat.

Gentlemen/Gentlewomen, as always, I am happy to advise on protocol.

When holding the shotgun with one hand, gently squeeze the trigger with both fingers of the other hand, in the semi rampant position, and try not to laugh, as this can be construed as being disrespectful.

This General Salute, will be in full accordance, with current rules, hereafter called:-
THE BRANDON PROTOCOL.

Hope that answers you question gentlemen/gentlewomen.

It might not be politically correct in their eyes, but it is in mine.

Yours Gun happy

Arthur