I was interested to read the latest Foreign Decorations Rules issued by the Government of New Zealand in July this year. They incorporate a pragmatic and flexible approach to what our lot have made into a nightmare of incongruous and unintelligible gobbledegook.

1. They have taken the Queen out of the equation except for very specific and understandable situations.

2. In one stroke they have zapped all the confusion (that our lot worship and intensify) about Foreign commemorative medals in respect of previous military or operational service being worn by ex-armed forces like us. They state that if you are now a civilian and it's an official medal you can wear it and you do not need the Kiwi Government's permission or the Queen's permission to do so. If you are in uniform, you need the equivalent of the MoD to OK acceptance and wear.

How refreshing. How straightforward. How contrary to the pathetic explanations put out by British civil servants in their endeavour to prolong as long as possible an Imperial system that is untenable, that has been rejected by Parliament and the People, and one that has no place in the modern world other than to justify the existence of the suits who manipulate the system.

I'll send a copy to the Conservative Team for inclusion in their file prior to their review of our mean-spirited and confused Foreign Decorations Rules.

Barry

PS Remember ... my fundamental problem with the PJM decision is that the suits manufactured rules to deny the PJM, then they waived them retrospectively (and that takes some doing in a 'Court') to provide for the PJM to be received but then immediately invoked those rules retrospectively (and that takes some doing in any court) to prevent Brits from wearing the award. And they did all that in in secret and in the name of the Queen thus bringing this country and the monarch into disrepute while snubbing a friendly Commonwaelth country which just wanted to say "Thank you". The New Zealand rules would not allow that to happen .. if it's an official medal it can be both recieved and worn, and no civil servant can intervene to stop that. QED.

http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/honours/overview/rules-foreign.html


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BarryF, who fought for the Right to Wear the Pingat Jasa Malaysia

What a radical concept!....To establish a system of rules and regulations so transparent that even an 'ordinary citizen' can understand and apply them, without seeking the blessings of a secretive and unapproachable 'Honours and Decorations Committee'...If such a thing were to occur in the UK then it would certainly have the effect of shaking the very foundations of the British Empire.

....There is still a British Empire, right????


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Paroi...Rasah...Batu Signals Troop.

'Jock' Fenton wrote:

....There is still a British Empire, right????

Yep Jock Spot On! They are there with their Ostrich Plumes, swords, garters and gaiters, someone has to keep the tradition alive, what a load of cods we in the UK still think we rule the roost. Good for the Kiwis at least (and at last) someone has seen the light.


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'Jock' Fenton wrote:

What a radical concept!....To establish a system of rules and regulations so transparent that even an 'ordinary citizen' can understand and apply them, without seeking the blessings of a secretive and unapproachable 'Honours and Decorations Committee'...If such a thing were to occur in the UK then it would certainly have the effect of shaking the very foundations of the British Empire.

....There is still a British Empire, right????

Jock,

The Honours and Decorations Committee are so immersed in the Royal Circle that they have began to believe that they are in fact Royalty and act as such. Something so simple as the Kiwi rules is too much for this brainless crew of morons to understand. Simplicity is something they just don't understand and insulting friendly Muslim countries appears to be seen by them to be their imperialist right.

Earth shattering news....to coin a phrase.


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Merdeka, Merdeka, Merdeka,
from the HD Committee and its decision.

They state that if you are now a civilian and it's an official medal you can wear it and you do not need the Kiwi Government's permission or the Queen's permission to do so. If you are in uniform, you need the equivalent of the MoD to OK acceptance and wear.
And THAT is how it SHOULD be for the UK !

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Ring any bells at Christmas time?

Yours Aye

Arthur

Right Fred,

It should! It is!

Unless I am mistaken, surely tnis is exactly what the UNCLARIFIED London Gazette 5057 of 3rd May 1968 was intended to do?

GLOman wrote:

Right Fred,

It should! It is!

Unless I am mistaken, surely tnis is exactly what the UNCLARIFIED London Gazette 5057 of 3rd May 1968 was intended to do?

Correct - spot on the ball!!

They are now trying to rubbish a Royal Decree in the London Gazette of 1968 which starts 'the Queen has been graciously pleased to approve...' They have placed their own interpretation on this by deceit and misrepresentation of the truth by quoting Section 14 of the 1969 Regulations and stating that this clarifies the LG Royal decree but they fail to mention that Regulation 14 is in Part A which refers to REGULATIONS CONCERNING THE ACCEPTANCE AND WEARING BY PERSONS IN THE SERVICE OF THE CROWN ........... They go on to say that the time the medal was conferred does not matter and it is the time it was earned which matters but this is in direct contrast to the conferring of medals as shown on FCO files.

Also, and a very important point in my humble view - Section 14 of the 1969 Regulations states - Persons who have retired from the service of the Crown remain subject to these regulations in so far as concerns the acceptance of Orders, decorations or medals offered in respect of services rendered before their retirement.

This section refers specifically to the ACCEPTANCE of a medal and makes no mention of the wearing of one and it makes no reference to the LG Gazette Royal Decree of 1968. So if the onus is on the time of service which qaulified those eligible for the PJM then it should not have been given Royal permission for it to be accepted but it has been made clear in numerous documents that Her Majesty the Queen made an exception to grant the acceptance of the PJM.

Wake up you dismal incompetent civil servants, try as you may to obstruct the wearing of the PJM you just do not have a case against it and your efforts to do so are juvenile and petulant and downright illegal.

Just read the post about the kiwi rules about wearing PJM. Aust govt made no restrictions at all, just treated it all as a medal awarded by another Commonwealth Country who were grateful for the help of member nations of the commonwealth at a time when they needed help. I guess even the NZ govt realised when they issued their rules about PJM that there were no longer any serving soldiers, sailors or airmen who would be entitled to the medal in any case, as they would all by that time be at least 60+ and past their retirement date.